July 14, 2020

Naval Gazing Virtual Meetup

It's time once again for a virtual meetup. Let's make this one a Sunday meetup. 3 PM (GMT-6) on the 22nd. Teams link is here. I expect the Aurora game to be discussed, along with whatever else happens to come up. Also, send me an email at battleshipbean at gmail if you want email notifications.

Comments

  1. July 14, 2020cassander said...

    I like teams a lot. Handles any number of people, requires no signup (if you use the web version) and has good sound and video quality.

  2. July 14, 2020Alsadius said...

    FWIW, I likely won't be able to make that time - it's my dad's 65th, so I'll be heading to visit them for a BBQ, weather permitting. (The joys of covid - if the weather doesn't permit outdoors, we'll be delaying instead of going inside).

    But have fun, and I'll try to make the next one.

  3. July 14, 2020Alexander said...

    I also won't be able to attend, unfortunately. Nonetheless, I'm sure that after the recent 100+ comment open thread, it will lead to successors, giving me plenty of opportunities to join along in future.

  4. July 14, 2020Aaron said...

    Google Meet is also a possibility. It is free through the end of September

  5. July 14, 2020Doctorpat said...

    That's 4 am Sunday morning my time.

    Err.... don't count on me.

  6. July 14, 2020bean said...

    I'm leaning towards Google for the moment, although Teams is also tempting.

    @Doctorpat

    Sorry about that. I had to pick between Europe and your part of the world, and for this one, I chose Europe.

  7. July 14, 2020Directrix Gazer said...

    I GM an RPG for friends and family at that time on Saturdays, so I'm afraid I'll be unable to attend.

  8. July 17, 2020DismalPseudoscience said...

    Long-time lurker (and one-time guest poster) here - planning to join, and looking forward to it!

  9. July 17, 2020Matt B said...

    Long time lurker and recent new post - planning to join too!

  10. July 18, 2020John Schilling said...

    The Google Meet link just takes me to my calendar; there's no entry or invite for this event that I can see.

  11. July 18, 2020bean said...

    That's weird. I've replaced it with a different link which I think works.

  12. July 18, 2020John Schilling said...

    That one works; testing now.

  13. July 18, 2020Alsadius said...

    I will be joining, though only for about half an hour. I'm actually at the room now, though nobody has let me in.

    Is audio-only fine? I can switch to my tablet if need be.

  14. July 18, 2020bean said...

    That was fun. Thanks to everyone who came. We spent a lot of the time talking about rockets (so far, pretty much inevitable whenever John Schilling and I are in the same room) but still got some good stuff out of it.

    There was some discussion at the end about formats. Video wasn't wildly popular, and I'm certainly not tied to it. If anyone has suggestions for a way to do something more like an in-person meetup, I'd be happy to entertain them. (I know about Mozilla Hubs, but my computer does not like it.)

  15. July 18, 2020cassander said...

    I wish I could have made it, but I got distracted by housing stuff. Good news is that I now have a contract for my new place!

  16. July 18, 2020bean said...

    Congratulations. Hopefully we'll see you next time, which will probably be in two weeks.

  17. July 19, 2020Matt B said...

    I wanted to make it up but got hung up on some yard work.

    I'll aim for the next one!

    Video is nice to have, but audio only isn't the worst.

  18. July 20, 2020echo said...

    If you did audio-only, you could try streaming RtW2 at the same time, and make a collab game out of it?

  19. July 20, 2020Aaron said...

    Thanks for hosting Bean, the discussion was great fun!

  20. August 01, 2020bean said...

    Link for tomorrow's meeting is up. Hope to see you there.

  21. August 02, 2020Alexander said...

    Thanks, it was nice chatting with you both Ü

  22. August 02, 2020bean said...

    Only had three people (Alexander, John, me) this time, but it was a lot of fun. We'll probably do it again in three weeks (Sister Bean is getting married in two weeks) and I liked Teams better. Also, I'll be sure to specify time zones.

  23. August 03, 2020John Schilling said...

    Agreed on the fun, and congratulations to Sister Bean!

  24. August 16, 2020Alexander said...

    Have fun with the wedding Ü

  25. August 18, 2020bean said...

    New timeslot for Saturday is up. Also, the wedding was very nice, and I'm home safe and (hopefully) healthy.

  26. August 20, 2020cassander said...

    is there a standing link for the room?

  27. August 20, 2020bean said...

    There is not. I'll get one put up later today.

  28. August 20, 2020bean said...

    Meeting link is now up.

  29. August 21, 2020John Schilling said...

    Not going to be able to make this one, unfortunately - will be airborne somewhere between here and northern California if all goes well. Have fun.

  30. August 22, 2020bean said...

    Well, despite John’s absence, an enjoyable time was had. We had 5 people this time, and discussed a bunch of stuff, from German ship design to a surprising amount on space warfare. Also, Alexander managed to send me after books about a dozen times. I think we may actually have to keep track during the next one. Which will be next week, BTW, because this one was delayed.

  31. August 23, 2020Alsadius said...

    Well crap. I just went and downloaded the Teams app, logged into the call...and noticed it was yesterday. And I was looking forward to the topic, too.

    Ah well, maybe next time.

  32. August 24, 2020John Schilling said...

    I would miss the space-warfare virtual meetup :-(

    On the other hand, I was 9500' closer to space than the rest of you all. And from the solid layer of smoke covering everything from Sacramento to Bakersfield, it certainly looked like a war zone.

  33. August 27, 2020bean said...

    Link for this Sunday is up.

  34. August 31, 2020John Schilling said...

    And I had to miss this Sunday because of incredibly flaky internet; sorry.

  35. August 31, 2020bean said...

    We could have used you, and were sorry you had to miss. Orbital bombardment weapons came up.

    Anyway, it was enjoyable to see the half dozen or so people who showed up. Various discussion topics, including RTW2, mine warfare, Taiwainese defense policy, and more space warfare stuff than you'd expect.

  36. September 10, 2020bean said...

    We're on again for this coming weekend, Saturday at 10 AM my time. Looking forward to seeing you guys.

  37. September 10, 2020John Schilling said...

    I should be able to make this one. And "your time" is central daylight time, UTC-5:00, right?

  38. September 11, 2020bean said...

    Cool. Glad to have you. And yes, my time is UTC-5.

  39. September 11, 2020cassander said...

    that's awful y early saturday morning for those of us in DC

  40. September 14, 2020bean said...

    One thing that came out of the discussion. A new answer to the question of "who would you go back in time to kill?" Specifically, we suspect Fritz Haber, of the Haber process, would make a huge difference. We don't need to stop the process being discovered, just delay it a couple of years. Then, Germany runs out of explosives in 1915 and has to capitulate. That massively changes the geopolitical landscape by 1918. The only holdout was cassander, who wanted to find a way to kill Woodrow Wilson, too.

  41. September 15, 2020AlexT said...

    Would it have been such a problem if Germany had won WW1? Europe would probably be better off overall. No Hitler, possibly no Communism in Russia, and yeah a hegemonic Germany, which is what happened anyway.

    So, I'd take out Kaiser Willie. If he doesn't build the High Seas Fleet, Britain probably stays out and WW1 is a repeat of 1870.

  42. September 15, 2020Alexander said...

    I think even with no Anglo-German dreadnought arms race, you'd need significantly more competent diplomacy to keep Britain on side, probably precluding invading Belgium. Looking at their historical performance, Germany could probably have held France at bay on their border while forcing Russia out of the war, but you don't really want to fight WWI on home soil if you can avoid it, and the French territory seized in 1914 contained significant industry.

  43. September 15, 2020AlexT said...

    Well, the Germans were the only ones whose major offensives succeeded in the West for all but the last 100 days of the war, so I think they could have smashed the French in 1914 even without crossing Belgium. Which they'd have been less inclined to do anyway, if they'd stayed friends with the British. Basically, the Battle of the Frontiers 10x worse, then a German counterstrike. Without the British blockade and (begging Bean's pardon) without wasting resources on their fleet, they might have had a decent chance to break through.

    Or they could have made Russia their main effort, but Russia's strategic depth is simply on another level.

  44. September 15, 2020Alexander said...

    I imagine they'd be looking to get a Brest-Litovsk style peace in the east (set up a heavily Anglo-German influenced Poland as a buffer?) and then a status quo ante bellum settlement in the west. I think that going for more would both risk involving other countries, and be potentially very costly. Britain won't stay quiet and cooperative while you conquer Europe, no matter how small your navy. A stalemate against France is good enough if there is no blockade, and I can't see the French public supporting a war that's getting them nothing but casualties if Germany didn't invade, and Russia is out of the war.

    Of course, I can't imagine who you'd have to kill off to get this sort of alternate German strategy.

  45. September 15, 2020bean said...

    So, I’d take out Kaiser Willie. If he doesn’t build the High Seas Fleet, Britain probably stays out and WW1 is a repeat of 1870.

    I'm not sure that's enough. I go back and forth on Germany in this era. Part of me thinks something was fundamentally broken when Bismarck built Germany, and that it wasn't going to be a healthy country until it was broken and remade (as after WWII). Depending on when you kill him, who takes over and what are their views? Also, if you want to target the HSF specifically, go after Tirptiz instead. He was very integral to the whole process, and might be a better weak point.

    Well, the Germans were the only ones whose major offensives succeeded in the West for all but the last 100 days of the war, so I think they could have smashed the French in 1914 even without crossing Belgium.

    I don't think this is a good characterization. The Germans had some success in 1914, but if they'd not gone through Belgium, they would have run straight into the teeth of the French Army, and they wouldn't have had more roads over which to pass supplies. Probable stalemate. The next three years were indecisive on both sides, with the notable failure of Verdun for the Germans. The biggest victory in the 1915-1917 period is probably the Russian Brusilov Offensive. And then you have the Spring Offensive, which worked because the Russians were gone and the Americans weren't there yet. And then the Germans just fell apart.

    Of course, I can’t imagine who you’d have to kill off to get this sort of alternate German strategy.

    Bismarck?

  46. September 15, 2020Philistine said...

    Was Karl Marx considered and rejected? He seems like an obvious target, to hopefully pull the fangs of most of the worst atrocities of the 20th C.

    Wilson's an interesting choice as well, though.

  47. September 15, 2020Alexander said...

    I'd worry that following their defeat in WWI, Russia would be a fertile ground for a radical break with tradition, and I'm not sure that Marxism is necessarily worse than other routes they could have gone down. Think of how the violence in Iraq and Syria spawned Islamic State. I think that you'd be better off trying to mitigate the damage caused by world wars, so that existing governments retain more credibility, and there is less appeal in revolution.

  48. September 15, 2020bean said...

    This wasn't a full discussion of the question. Somehow, the Haber process came up and it was suggested that Haber himself was a good candidate. I wanted to make sure it was written down somewhere.

  49. September 16, 2020John Schilling said...

    "Of course, I can’t imagine who you’d have to kill off to get this sort of alternate German strategy.

    Bismarck?"

    Unfortunately, I must respectfully oppose this proposition due to the risk of great-great-great-grandfather paradox by proxy. The Schilling family sword (currently held by one of my cousins) was awarded to one of our ancestors for saving Bismarck's life after a riding accident. I expect our family's fortunes would have followed a different path without the favor of a Bismarck in high places. Plus, it's a cool sword.

    Sorry about that. If we'd known, we'd have chosen different heroic deeds. Haber is still fair game :-)

  50. September 23, 2020bean said...

    New link is up. This time, we're trying to get those from the Pacific instead of the Atlantic.

  51. September 26, 2020bean said...

    And Teams link is up. Hope to see you guys tonight.

  52. September 27, 2020bean said...

    Conversation last night was fun, even if it was just John and CatCube. We also have a new record for book-fetching. All three of us went for a book. Even more amusing, it was at the same time, and for the same book. (Space Mission Analysis and Design, if you're curious.)

  53. September 29, 2020cassander said...

    I think we'd get better attendence if we had a better system of notification than continually editing a pinned topic. I completely missed that we were doing one because my eyes glazed over the announcement. We could set up an email list, facebook group, or a standing google calendar.

  54. September 29, 2020bean said...

    That's a good point. I'll probably use an email list, unless the google calendar turns out to be much easier to manage. Facebook is definitely out due to pseudonymity concerns.

  55. October 07, 2020bean said...

    Meeting is on for Saturday at 1 my time (GMT-5). Link will be up in a bit.

  56. October 12, 2020CatCube said...

    I apologize for missing this one. I forgot it was the meetup Saturday, and didn't look at the website until 1400 PST, so it was well over by then.

  57. October 22, 2020bean said...

    It's time once again for the meetup, this one for the 24th. 1 PM Central, as usual. See you there. Teams link will be up soon.

  58. November 05, 2020bean said...

    Link for the 11/7 meetup is up. I've pushed it back to 4 PM Central this time, so hopefully some of those who have conflicts at 1 can make it. Sorry to European readers, who may find that a bit late.

  59. November 20, 2020bean said...

    For this coming weekend's meetup, let's do Sunday at 3 Central (I think we're GMT-6 now).

  60. November 30, 2020m said...

    Note that it is highly confusing when the meetup is.

    post is from "July 14, 2020", mentions meetup on "Sunday meetup. 3 PM (GMT-6) on the 22nd" while comments seems to be talking about subsequent meetups.

  61. November 30, 2020bean said...

    Ah. Good point. The answer is that we've been meeting about every 2 weeks since June. The last one was November 22nd, and we'll do one probably next Saturday.

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