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<title>Main / GM, Patriot and the ISV</title>
<dc:date>2026-09-27T12:00:00Z</dc:date>
<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2026 12:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
<description><![CDATA[<p>There have been a few news stories lately about General Motors producing missile casings for the PAC-3, and delivering the parts within 22 days of the contract being signed.  And, obviously, there has been commentary overinterpreting this as being a sign that players outside the traditional defense industry are better and that the glorious dawn of fast weapons manufacturing is just around the corner, if we embrace new, agile companies like... General Motors.
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<div  style='text-align: center;' class='img imgcaption'> <span class='px'> <img width='600' src='/attach/PAC-3_MSE_interceptor_missile_-_MSPO_2026_Poland_Kielce.jpg?v=1790463681.jpg' alt='' /><br /><span class='caption'>A PAC-3 missile with a defective casing</span></span></div>
<p>Obviously, I think all of this is nonsense.  First, let's be clear what we're talking about.  These are missile casings, basically mildly specialized pieces of metal.  Shaping metal is not a particularly new technology, and I find it hard to believe that casings are the main limiting factor in expanding PAC-3 production.  Seekers, warheads and motors are all much more specialized and much harder to expand.  The most likely reason behind all of this is that there was some hiccup on the part of whoever normally makes the casings, and Lockheed turned to GM to bail them out.  I spoke to an industrial engineer who has experience in missile production, and she said that 3 weeks would be a reasonable turnaround time for this kind of thing in the civilian world if the customer supplied the tooling.  GM probably did some extra work to avoid the delays you frequently get on defense projects, but it's either a short-term stopgap or the whole thing was a publicity stunt, and Lockheed is now holding onto a bunch of casings that they won't use until mid-February.  
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<p>But it's also worth noting that this isn't GM's only foray into defense production.  They famously built a lot of stuff in WWII, everything from trucks to airplanes to weapons.  After the war, they stayed in the industry.  Besides building various vehicles, they owned <a class='urllink' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allison_Engine_Company' rel='nofollow'>Allison</a>, a major jet engine manufacturer, as well as being heavily involved in military electronics, most notably inertial navigation systems, through its AC Spark Plugs/Delco division.  In the mid-80s, they bought Hughes Aircraft, becoming a major player in the satellite and missile spaces.  But as GM got into deeper and deeper financial trouble during the 90s and 00s, these were all sold off, with Allison going to Rolls-Royce, the satellite divisions to Boeing and most of the rest of the business to Raytheon.  The last bit to be sold was the ground vehicle group, which became part of General Dynamics Land Systems shortly after it won the contract for the <a class='urllink' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stryker' rel='nofollow'>Stryker</a>.
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<div  style='text-align: center;' class='img imgcaption'> <span class='px'> <img width='600' src='/attach/3rd_Brigade_2nd_Infantry_Division_Stryker_convoy.jpeg?v=1790463680.jpeg' alt='' /><br /><span class='caption'>An early Stryker exercise</span></span></div>
<p>I bring this all up mostly as a way to remind people that the history of the defense industry is complicated, and that a lot of the reports of consolidation are overblown.  Many of you have probably seen the chart from the <a class='urllink' href='https://www.18theses.com/' rel='nofollow'>"18 theses"</a> <del>advertisement for Palantir</del>, which shows 51 primes falling to 5.  At least three different groups mentioned in the previous paragraph are listed separately among the 51, and the people who made said chart played similar games elsewhere.  Most notably, at least three different divisions of General Dynamics are shown as separate "primes", rolling up to Lockheed and Raytheon, even though GD is one of the 5 current primes.  And Avondale Industries, Litton Industries and Newport News Shipbuilding are all shown rolling up into Northrop Grumman, even though the vast bulk of those businesses was spun off as Huntington Ingalls in 2011.  Yes, I'm sure they can point to some bits of those companies that Northrop kept, but HII is the 7th largest defense contractor, behind the big 5 and L3Harris.  
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<div  style='text-align: center;' class='img imgcaption'> <span class='px'> <img width='600' src='/attach/YF-22_and_YF-23.jpeg?v=1790463925.jpeg' alt='' /><br /><span class='caption'>ATF prototypes</span></span></div>
<p>But even if we ignore the many flaws in the chart, the basic thesis behind it is deeply flawed.  1980 wasn't some golden age when "51 primes" rushed in to bid on every possible defense contract.  The defense industry is big and specialized, and many of the "primes" in question only did one or two things.  Boeing didn't build tanks, Chrysler didn't build airplanes and "Jappesen Sanderson" didn't exist.<a class='footnote' id='fnr1_1' href='#fn1_1'><sup>1</sup></a>  A lot of the movement on the chart is reflective of the stock market's growing distaste for general-purpose conglomerates, which has applied far outside the defense industry.  This isn't to say that there hasn't been actual consolidation in terms of "how many companies could plausibly bid on this contract", because there absolutely has been, but it's closer to 50% than 90%.  For instance, in 1986 the Advanced Tactical Fighter program that ultimately became the F-22 attracted bids from Boeing, General Dynamics, Grumman, Lockheed, Northrop, McDonnell Douglas, and North American Rockwell, whereas the only competitors for a similar program today would be Boeing, Northrop Grumman and Lockheed Martin.  But this mirrors a general drop in budgets.  Keeping design and production capability around is expensive, and if we wanted more people able to do it, we would need to pay for it somehow.
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<div  style='text-align: center;' class='img imgcaption'> <span class='px'> <img width='600' src='/attach/A-GMV_during_exercise_Immediate_Response_19.jpg?v=1790463680.jpg' alt='' /><br /><span class='caption'>An M1297 Army Ground Mobility Vehicle</span></span></div>
<p>But another part of the "defense reform" thesis is that outside companies are somehow more efficient, because they're subject to market discipline rather than being able to grow fat and lazy servicing the undemanding DoD.<a class='footnote' id='fnr1_2' href='#fn1_2'><sup>2</sup></a>  But GM itself gives us one of the better tests of this.  They returned to the defense business 10 years ago, focusing on military applications of their existing automotive technologies.  And while they've done some development work, their main focus has been on competing in the Army's ongoing efforts to provide a light, airmobile vehicle for its normal "leg" infantry.  The first competition was held in 2014, and while GM entered a vehicle based on their Chevrolet Colorado ZR2 off-road truck, they found themselves up against a field largely of more bespoke off-road vehicles, including the purpose-built <a class='urllink' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dynamics_Flyer#Flyer_72' rel='nofollow'>General Dynamics Flyer 72</a>, <a class='urllink' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polaris_Inc.#DAGOR' rel='nofollow'>Polaris DAGOR</a> and <a class='urllink' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_Badger' rel='nofollow'>Boeing Phantom Badger</a>.  The Flyer won the initial round, becoming the <a class='urllink' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1297_Army_ground_mobility_vehicle' rel='nofollow'>M1297 Army Ground Mobility Vehicle</a>, but a second round saw GM triumph with the <a class='urllink' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1301_infantry_squad_vehicle' rel='nofollow'>M1301 Infantry Squad Vehicle</a>.  
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<div  style='text-align: center;' class='img imgcaption'> <span class='px'> <img width='600' src='/attach/US_Army_M1301_with_9_troops.jpg?v=1790463683.jpg' alt='' /><br /><span class='caption'>M1301 Infantry Squad Vehicle</span></span></div>
<p>I don't want to get into the debates about the soundness of the idea behind the M1301,<a class='footnote' id='fnr1_3' href='#fn1_3'><sup>3</sup></a> and instead look at the finances, at least as far as that makes sense given the <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Military-Procurement-Pricing'>usual wackiness of military pricing</a>.  For a start, a civilian Colorado ZR2 looks to be running $50-55k, while the cost of one M1301 per <a class='urllink' href='https://www.asafm.army.mil/Portals/72/Documents/BudgetMaterial/2027/Discretionary%20Budget/Procurement/Other%20Procurement%20-%20BA1%20-%20Tactical%20&amp;%20Support%20Vehicles.pdf#page=103' rel='nofollow'>the FY 2027 justification book</a> is about $190k.  I honestly don't find this all that surprising.  GM may claim 90% off-the-shelf parts, but I think some of those aren't on the base ZR2, and <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/The-Problem-of-Defense-Economics'>the military is a terrible and annoying customer</a>, so 3x the price isn't that weird.<a class='footnote' id='fnr1_4' href='#fn1_4'><sup>4</sup></a>  Perhaps a better comparison is how the cost of GM's approach compares to other vehicles.  One place to look is at Army budget projections before and after the contract went to GM in 2020.  The <a class='urllink' href='https://www.asafm.army.mil/Portals/72/Documents/BudgetMaterial/2021/Base%20Budget/Procurement/OPA_BA_1_FY_2021_PB_Other_Procurement_BA1_Tactical_and_Support_Vehicles.pdf#page=90' rel='nofollow'>FY21 book</a>, submitted Feb 2020, shows a predicted FY21 cost of $190k per ISV, while the <a class='urllink' href='https://www.asafm.army.mil/Portals/72/Documents/BudgetMaterial/2022/Base%20Budget/Procurement/OPA_BA_1_FY_2022_PB_Other_Procurement_BA1_Tactical_and_Support_Vehicles.pdf#page=83' rel='nofollow'>FY22 book</a>, submitted in May 2021, shows only $150k per vehicle in FY 21.  So it does look like this produced some real savings relative to what the other options probably would have cost, although it's on the order of 20-25%, and we don't know what other tradeoffs the lower-cost vehicle may have required.  But it's also worth noting that the same FY22 book shows the per-unit cost for the new-production M1152A1 HMMWV, a significantly larger vehicle without a civilian production line to draw from, at $144k per unit.  
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<p>The lesson that should be drawn from all of this is that there is no silver bullet for the problems plaguing American defense procurement.  Outsiders may have advantages over the incumbents, but these tend to be small and swamped by the mess built into the structure of the system.  If all you look at is the headline figures, you'll be <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Abstractions-in-Defense-Analysis'>deeply confused about the problems</a>, which in turn leads to ineffective solutions.  
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<p><span class='footnote-number'>1</span> <a class='urllink' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeppesen' rel='nofollow'>Jeppesen Sanderson</a>, which did exist, made navigation and flight planning products.  It's now part of Boeing, consolidated with the mythical division of Boeing that previously made navigation products. <a href='#fnr1_1'>&#8657;</a>
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<p><span class='footnote-number'>2</span> People who claim this never seem to talk about Boeing, which alone among the major primes makes about 50% of its money in non-defense businesses.  By all rights, it should be head and shoulders above everyone else, which I don't think is the general consensus. <a href='#fnr1_2'>&#8657;</a>
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<p><span class='footnote-number'>3</span> The <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Pentagon-Wars-and-Procurement'>Pentagon's evaluators</a> viewed it as "not survivable", which is probably true.  On the other hand, it's also a lot faster than walking, and easier to airlift than other vehicles. <a href='#fnr1_3'>&#8657;</a>
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<p><span class='footnote-number'>4</span> If you go fishing for per-unit numbers, you'll find ones that are a lot higher, because people are just dividing the annual topline by the total procurement number, which is going to roll in a lot of sustainment that isn't included in actual procurement.  Because of how variable that work is, it's easy to get numbers that are all over the place. <a href='#fnr1_4'>&#8657;</a>
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<title>Main / Open Thread 197</title>
<dc:date>2026-09-25T12:00:00Z</dc:date>
<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2026 12:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
<description><![CDATA[<p>It's time once again for our regular open thread.  Talk about whatever you want, so long as it isn't culture war.
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<p>Overhauls are <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Understanding-Hull-Symbols'>Understanding Hull Symbols</a>, <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Auxiliaries-Part-3'>Auxiliaries Part 3</a>, <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/ICNW-Part-5'>ICNW Part 5</a>, <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/The-Arleigh-Burke-Class'>the <em>Arleigh Burke</em> class</a>, <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Standard-Part-1'>Standard Part 1</a>, <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Museum-Review-USS-Turner-Joy'>Evan's review of <em>Turner Joy</em></a>, and for 2025, Exotic Hulls Parts <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Exotic-Hulls-Part-2'>two</a>, <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Exotic-Hulls-Part-3'>three</a> and <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Exotic-Hulls-Part-4'>four</a>, as well as <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Fighting-the-Last-War'>Fighting the Last War</a>.
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<title>Main / Musuem Review - ''Hornet'' Take 3</title>
<dc:date>2026-09-20T12:00:00Z</dc:date>
<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2026 12:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
<description><![CDATA[<p>While in San Francisco for the Pokemon World Championships, I made a third attempt to visit <em>Hornet</em>, this time <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Hornet-Visitor-Experience'>making sure there wasn't a furry convention going on</a>.  Things started off well when I decided to take the ferry from downtown San Francisco to the Alameda Seaplane Terminal, which is maybe half a mile from the ship.  The trip was lovely if a bit windy, with gorgeous views of San Francisco and a nice pass by <em>Hornet</em> on the arrival end.  
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<div  style='text-align: center;' class='img imgcaption'> <span class='px'> <img width='600' src='/attach/Hornet26FromFerry.jpg?v=1789860747.jpg' alt='' /><br /><span class='caption'><em>Hornet</em> from the ferry </span></span></div>
<div class='property-Type'>Type: WWII-era aircraft carrier with some space stuff</div>
<div class='property-Location'>Location: Alameda, California</div>
<div class='property-Rating'>Rating: A pretty open ship and some cool planes.</div>
<div class='property-Price'>Price: $25 for normal adults</div>
<p><a class='urllink' href='https://uss-hornet.org/' rel='nofollow'>Website</a>
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<p><em>Hornet</em> is one of the <em>Essex</em> class carriers that won the Pacific War, having been named after the previous <em>Hornet</em>, sunk during the fighting in the Solomons.  She racked up an impressive score in WWII, then was modernized to fly early jets, with steam catapults and an angled deck.  However, she missed out on the second round of modernization and was reclassified as an anti-submarine carrier (<a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Understanding-Hull-Symbols'>CVS</a>), flying <a class='urllink' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_SH-3_Sea_King' rel='nofollow'>SH-3 Sea King</a> helicopters and <a class='urllink' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_S-2_Tracker' rel='nofollow'>S-2 Tracker</a> ASW aircraft as a companion to the strike carriers.<a class='footnote' id='fnr2_1' href='#fn2_1'><sup>1</sup></a>  Just before her retirement in 1970, she was the recovery ship for the Apollo 11 and 12 missions, and the deck is marked with the spot where Neil Armstrong took his first steps after his return to Earth.
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<div  style='text-align: center;' class='img imgcaption'> <span class='px'> <img width='600' src='/attach/Hornet26Plus3Sign.jpg?v=1789860749.jpg' alt='' /><br /><span class='caption'>Pieces of space history  </span></span></div>
<p>As a museum, <em>Hornet</em> was more or less like I'd found her <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Museum-Review-USS-Hornet'>when I was last aboard</a>, although they'd clearly been doing work to make her better in the last few years.  The planes had been moved around a bit, with their Phantom now looking great and the Tomcat at the back of the hangar being repainted.  The flight deck is busier, with the S-2 and A-4 joining the S-3 and T-28 to represent the last planes to operate from her, and the A-4 is on the catapult with a bridle installed, which was something I'd never seen before.  Signage was kind of a mixed bag.  When they had it, it was generally quite comprehensive, but coverage was spotty, and there were more errors than I would like.<a class='footnote' id='fnr2_2' href='#fn2_2'><sup>2</sup></a>  The only thing I really missed from last time was the <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Nuclear-Weapons-at-Sea-ASW-Part-1'>Mk 45 ASTOR</a>, but that was apparently put into storage as part of their revamp of the torpedo room, which looked amazing.  They'd opened up the torpedo magazine down below the workshop so you could see into it, giving a much better sense of how the space actually worked, and the only thing they could do to make it better would be to get a real <a class='urllink' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_13_torpedo' rel='nofollow'>Mk 13</a> and open it up so you can see the guts.
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<div  style='text-align: center;' class='img imgcaption'> <span class='px'> <img width='600' src='/attach/Hornet26TorpMag.jpg?v=1789860748.jpg' alt='' /><br /><span class='caption'>The torpedo magazine</span></span></div>
<p>The only real problem came when we decided to try out one of the docent tours.  These are $12 per person, and there are four, covering the island, life aboard, weapons and engines.  This is good pricing, and they're supposed to run an hour each, maybe a bit more for the weapons tour.  I was with Rebecca Friedman, who cooks for the meetups, and she really wanted to see the galleys, so we signed up for the life aboard tour, starting at 1 PM.  The sign said something like 40-50 minutes.  The docent in question took 2 hours and 15 minutes for the tour before we basically ran away.  Now, there are undoubtedly a few people who could have used that amount of time well on what we saw (which, in fairness, was a lot), but he did not, often rambling and occasionally saying things that were simply untrue.  I interacted with a number of docents who seemed competent, and we may have just gotten unlucky, but his tour ran so long that the last weapons tour of the day, which I had been sort of hoping to do, departed before we were done.
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<div  style='text-align: center;' class='img imgcaption'> <span class='px'> <img width='600' src='/attach/Hornet26B57Hug.jpg?v=1789861316.jpg' alt='' /><br /><span class='caption'>Unfortunately, the Mk 45 was gone and the B57 was roped off</span></span></div>
<p>But that aside, we had a good time.  A lot of the ship is open, even without the docent tours, although the routing is kind of a mess, to the point that I found her somewhat difficult to navigate.  If you're planning to travel to visit a carrier, you should go to <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Museum-Review-Midway-Redux'><em>Midway</em></a> instead, but she's definitely worth a look if you live in the area or happen to be in the Bay for another reason.  Just make sure there's not a furry convention before you plan your visit.
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<p><span class='footnote-number'>1</span> This structure went away in the 70s when the <em>Essex</em>s were being retired and it was clear that there wasn't money to build a new set of CVSs. <a href='#fnr2_1'>&#8657;</a>
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<p><span class='footnote-number'>2</span> Two notable ones I'm contacting them about are a claim that the <a class='urllink' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vought_F-8_Crusader' rel='nofollow'>F-8 Crusader</a> was the first supersonic carrier fighter and that a plane torpedoed a ship at <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Aviation-at-Jutland'>Jutland</a>. <a href='#fnr2_2'>&#8657;</a>
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<title>Main / Saving ''Houston'' Part 3</title>
<dc:date>2026-09-13T12:00:00Z</dc:date>
<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2026 12:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
<description><![CDATA[<p>During strikes against Formosa in October 1944, two American cruisers were torpedoed, <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Saving-Canberra'><em>Canberra</em></a> and <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Saving-Houston-Part-1'><em>Houston</em></a>.  Both suffered damage that took their engines entirely offline, and <em>Houston</em> lost her boilers as well, leaving her almost entirely without power, but instead of taking the crews off and scuttling the ships, the decision was made to tow them home.  Two days after the original torpedoing, <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Saving-Houston-Part-2'><em>Houston</em> was struck again, this time in the stern</a>.  The resulting avgas fire was quickly dealt with, but it left the hangar flooded and threatening the stability of the ship thanks to <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Stability'>free surface</a> as well as the structural integrity of the adjacent bulkheads.
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<div  style='text-align: center;' class='img imgcaption'> <span class='px'> <img width='600' src='/attach/Stern_of_USS_Houston_damaged_by_torpedo_hit_October_1944.jpeg?v=1789256687.jpeg' alt='' /><br /><span class='caption'>Damage to <em>Houston</em>'s stern after the second torpedo hit</span></span></div>
<p>The crew quickly swung into action, building shoring around the forward bulkhead of the hangar to make sure that the flooding didn't spread, using up the last of their materials in the process and having to scavenge whatever wood they could find elsewhere on the ship, including 14 planks usually used to support men cleaning and painting the sides.  But there were other problems to deal with.  The hit aft had sent shocks ripping through the ship, exacerbating the structural damage caused by the first torpedo hit, although the stress amidships was reduced by the additional weight aft.  More urgently, leakage from the hit had shorted out the main emergency generator, and with only the secondary generator, there wasn't enough power to provide the crew remaining onboard with anything like adequate sanitation or food. 300 of the 550 men aboard would need to be transferred to the escorting destroyers, but the seas were too rough for them to come alongside.
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<p>The solution was simple, if a bit odd.  Each of the three destroyers receiving the transferred crew would come astern of the towed cruiser in turn, and 100 sailors would be ordered over the side, where the destroyer would fish them out of the water.  Everyone who remained aboard would be a volunteer with useful skills for saving the ship, and there were more than enough candidates.  <em>Houston</em> was low enough in the water that the transfer was a simple matter of putting on a life jacket and stepping into the ocean, then waiting for the destroyer to show up.  One sailor used the process as an opportunity for a nap, only to be awakened by rifle fire from the destroyer.  He initially thought they had mistaken him for a Japanese sailor, but after being brought aboard, learned that they had spotted sharks in the water near him.  Despite this, the process went smoothly, and all 300 men had been transferred within an hour.
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<div  style='text-align: center;' class='img imgcaption'> <span class='px'> <img width='600' src='/attach/HoustonLongitudinalStiffener.jpg?v=1789256686.jpg' alt='' /><br /><span class='caption'>An improvised stiffener on a cracked longitudinal</span></span></div>
<p>The bulk of the remaining sailors were divided into three salvage crews, spread out throughout the ship to prevent a third hit from killing all of the experienced people still aboard.  Their main task was to preserve the ship's stability, with reinforcing the ship's structure, wracked by the two torpedo hits and battered by the sloshing water, a close second.  One by one, partially flooded compartments were entered and the leaks, often sprung rivets, were plugged, and then pumps were brought in to empty them out.  Elsewhere, broken <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Ship-Structure-and-Strength'>longitudinal beams</a> were reinforced by welding plates together to make new girders.  Thanks to "midnight requisitions" at Boston Navy Yard, <em>Houston</em> had significantly more than her normal outfit of the plates normally used to make such repairs, as well as a pair of high-capacity welders, but even the excess plates were quickly used up, and the salvage crews had to begin scavenging from the ship's non-essential structure for further reinforcements.  
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<p>This allowed them to help solve another problem: stability.  The sloshing water meant that <em>Houston</em> was still in danger of capsize, and the scavengers concentrated their efforts as high as possible to reduce topweight.  200 tons of 6" shells from the 2nd and 3rd shell decks were moved down to the lower handling rooms, an effort which produced many sore backs among officers and chiefs unused to manual labor.  And every piece of spare equipment topside was heaved overboard, down to the searchlights and their platforms.  Belowdecks, poor ventilation meant that there was constant risk of electrical fires, and emergency power systems were strung along the overheads to reduce the risk, while flammable materials were jettisoned and compartments soaked in fuel oil after the hit were scrubbed down.
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<div  style='text-align: center;' class='img imgcaption'> <span class='px'> <img width='600' src='/attach/HoustonHangarDamagePic.jpg?v=1789256683.jpg' alt='' /><br /><span class='caption'>Water sloshes in the hangar</span></span></div>
<p>The lack of ventilation meant that sleeping in the normal quarters was impossible, so the remaining crew moved into temporary quarters in the superstructure.  But life aboard wasn't all bad.  The refrigerators were still working, as were the electric ranges, so steak was the order of the day, and the beer aboard for the occasional "steel beach" was served with dinner to anyone who didn't want the slightly oily water from the void tanks.  Finally, on the morning of the 17th, the seas moderated enough for a boat from <em>Pawnee</em> to come alongside and pass over extra pumps and uncontaminated fuel.  Soon, a steady stream of other material, be it shoring, welding equipment, breathing apparatus or the vital pumps, came aboard via <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Auxiliaries-Part-2'>high wire</a> from the other ships of CripDiv 1.
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<p><em>Houston</em> was finally drawing clear of the biggest threat.  Despite the occasional electrical fire, and the presence of Japanese snoopers throughout the 17th and 18th, things were fairly calm.  More importantly, while they were still well over a week away from Ulithi and safety, the Japanese had bigger problems to worry about.  The Japanese had sighted the vanguard of the 7th Fleet, heading for the landings at Leyte, and realized that Halsey was also "RETIRING TOWARD THE ENEMY FOLLOWING THE SALVAGE OF ALL THE THIRD FLEET SHIPS RECENTLY REPORTED AS SUNK BY RADIO TOKYO."  Two damaged cruisers were small fry compared to the need to finally <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Leyte-Gulf-75'>fight the "Decisive Battle"</a> that the Japanese Navy had planned for so long.
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<div  style='text-align: center;' class='img imgcaption'> <span class='px'> <img width='600' src='/attach/USS_Houston_under_tow_on_17_October_1944.jpg?v=1789256683.jpg' alt='' /><br /><span class='caption'>''Houston' under tow</span></span></div>
<p>But they weren't entirely out of the woods yet.  On the evening of the 18th, CripDiv 1 turned south, lengthening the trip to Ulithi to dodge a <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Weather-at-Sea'>typhoon</a> coming out of the southwest Pacific.  Despite the efforts of the salvage crews to reinforce the cracked longitudinals, the bow and stern were still visibly working independently, and her odds of surviving a serious storm were low.  The detour lasted 30 hours, but kept the ship safe.  And in better news, on the morning of the 20th, another pair of tugs arrived to supplement the <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Auxiliaries-Part-3'>hard-working <em>Munsee</em> and <em>Pawnee</em></a>.  By taking the tow in tandem, the formation's speed could be increased to 6 kts, a welcome relief for everyone in CripDiv 1.
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<p>That same day, with the group well clear of any Japanese air threat, the carriers <em>Cabot</em> and <em>Cowpens</em> were detached.  Now, the only real option the enemy had for striking them was submarines, and a group built around escort carrier <em>Hoggatt Bay</em> moved in to screen against them.  Morale aboard <em>Houston</em> began to improve, even as the work of keeping the ship afloat continued.  The pace of jettisoning had slowed slightly, and valuable bits of salvage were now being passed to accompanying destroyers.  The cooks had gotten the ovens working and could make bread, although 20 gallons of ice cream from the destroyer <em>Bell</em> were still welcomed with open arms.  The lack of fresh water meant that hygiene remained a problem, particularly for men who worked in oily water.  Many found that cleaning clothes was too difficult, and simply scavenged new uniforms every day.  Belowdecks, the crews had managed to free the rudder, but experimentation found that the ship towed the best with the rudder set to right 23&#176;, suggesting it had been bent by the second hit.  
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<div  style='text-align: center;' class='img imgcaption'> <span class='px'> <img width='600' src='/attach/HoustonShoringPic.jpg?v=1789256686.jpg' alt='' /><br /><span class='caption'>Shoring on the forward bulkhead for the hangar</span></span></div>
<p>On October 23rd, the gunnery officer attempted to help their progress along by rigging an improvised sail.  To nobody's surprise, it did nothing to propel the ship, but the pressure did help her ride a bit better.  That evening, one of the screening destroyers thought it made a submarine contact, and the men aboard the cruiser made her as watertight as possible and prayed they wouldn't have to deal with a third torpedo hit.  Fortunately, it appeared to be a false alarm, but further contacts over the next few days, along with fires, the pervasive stench of dead bodies and the grinding work of keeping the ship afloat meant that the crew was on the edge of breakdown by the time they reached Ulithi on October 27th, 1944.  But the salvage officer dispatched to look over the crippled cruisers was initially unsure if he could even keep her afloat inside the harbor.  Getting her ready for a tow to the nearest <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Drydocks'>drydock</a>, 900 miles away in Manus, would be an enormous job, and we'll pick up the story there next time.
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<guid>https://www.navalgazing.net/A-Visit-to-the-Coast-Artillery-Museum</guid>
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<title>Main / A Visit to the Coast Artillery Museum</title>
<dc:date>2026-09-06T12:00:00Z</dc:date>
<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2026 12:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
<description><![CDATA[<p>It's weird visiting a doomed museum.  Not one that's slowly dying, with money and volunteer enthusiasm gradually ebbing away, where you sort of know in the back of your head that if there's a catastrophe with the roof or something like that, there may not be enough money to fix it.  I've been to a few of those over the years.  In those cases, there's always hope.  Maybe a donor can be found, or new leadership can turn things around.  This wasn't that.  This was a museum that is already dead, and we're just waiting to pull the plug.
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<p>A week ago, I visited the Puget Sound Coast Artillery Museum in Fort Worden, Washington, at the gateway to Puget Sound.  Tomorrow, September 7th, 2026, is their last day after 50 years.<a class='footnote' id='fnr3_1' href='#fn3_1'><sup>1</sup></a>  And I, crazy person that I am, said "well, I'm going to be on the West Coast anyway, might as well tack on a couple days and see it before it closes."  So I left Lord Nelson among the Pokemon people of San Francisco and flew up to Seattle, then drove out to see what there was.  And it was a nice little museum.  It's clearly a smaller operation, with laminated printouts for signage and displays that show what they have, rather than a carefully-selected subset of the collection to best tell the story they're trying to tell.  But those can be lovely and charming.  That was more or less how the <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Museum-Review-45th-Infantry-Division-Museum'>45th Infantry Museum</a> felt, and I regularly miss it now that it's been replaced by <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Museum-Review-Oklahoma-National-Guard-Museum'>something more modern and sterile</a>.  As for this museum, well, it wasn't going to set the world alight.  It wasn't even the best one I visited that day.  (<em>Turner Joy</em> down in Bremerton is one of the best-executed museum ships I've ever seen.  Review coming at some point soon.)  But they did a pretty good job of telling the story of <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Coastal-Defenses-Part-6'>coastal defenses in the early 20th century</a>, and it's a story that is pretty hard to find elsewhere.  I've tried quite often to visit coastal fortifications, and it's generally been a frustrating experience in some dimension.  The concrete may be there, but the stories aren't.  The <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Museum-Review-Fort-MacArthur'>Fort MacArthur museum</a> seems to have folded at some point in the last couple years, and there wasn't anything in the area around San Francisco except for <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Museum-Review-Fort-Point'>Fort Point</a>, which is from an older generation.  Here, there was not only a place to learn the stories, but also several lovely batteries to go hike around, and I'm sad that only the second half will remain for visitors after tomorrow.  
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<p>But at the same time, isn't this the fundamental paradox of working in history?  I'll never see a battleship at sea, her broadside throwing a dozen tons of steel and explosives at the enemy and shaking everything around.  I was born too late for that, but I'm still fascinated by it, and I've spent a decade trying my best to capture a facsimile of that and so much else that is, fundamentally, lost to the mists of time.  Museums are some of our best tools to fight back against time, to preserve bits from the flow and show them off to the public.  I think that's why I love them so much.  At their best, they're shrines to the past, to things interesting in their own right, things worth remembering.
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<p>So I came here, to this little town on the edge of Washington State, to take a look at this before it's gone.  To capture that experience for myself before it's gone, and to share what I can of that with the internet.  And maybe, if I'm very lucky, with readers in the distant future who are, for whatever reason, interested in this little museum that, for half a century, told the story of the men who guarded Puget Sound.  They created a lovely little space, covering everything from the strategic reasons for the fort to the man it was named after to the experience of being stationed there throughout the fort's history.  There was a little bit of detail on the weapons, and some lovely dioramas of the various batteries installed over the years.  There was a room with a fire control table, although annoyingly little detail on how the process worked, and a room full of a random collection of guns that someone had, most of which had no connection to the fort.  There was a rack of fake shells and real powder cans, and a video that explained that the coastal defense mortars worked because "although the sides of the ship were armored, most ships at the time still had wooden decks".<a class='footnote' id='fnr3_2' href='#fn3_2'><sup>2</sup></a>  It had docents who were very nice, even when I insisted on arguing with their video.  It was slightly weird and charming and I'm glad I got to see it before it was gone, and to write this obituary, at least for the physical space.  They're going to try to continue digitally at <a class='urllink' href='https://coastartillery.org/' rel='nofollow'>https://coastartillery.org/</a>, and I wish them the best of luck.
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<p>But it's also a lesson for those who are interested in history.<a class='footnote' id='fnr3_3' href='#fn3_3'><sup>3</sup></a>  Keeping this stuff doesn't just happen.  It takes work to keep open the peepholes in the curtain of time, and to get people to look through them.  And, yes, the artifacts will go off to different places, and the books will still exist, but it won't be here, within an easy hike of one of the best collections of preserved concrete in the country.  And we'll lose the men and women who spent years working with the material, and who probably heard some stories from the men who were there that never got written down.  So if you have the ability, support preservation efforts.  Volunteer.  Donate.  Go visit, and see this stuff, so that if someday that museum shuts down, at least you can say you went and peeked through before time won and closed the hole.
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<p><span class='footnote-number'>1</span> Apparently, the main problem was just that the volunteer base was getting too old to keep things running. <a href='#fnr3_1'>&#8657;</a>
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<p><span class='footnote-number'>2</span> Quote from memory a couple hours later, so I may have mangled it slightly. <a href='#fnr3_2'>&#8657;</a>
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<p><span class='footnote-number'>3</span> And if that's not you, why are you reading this blog? <a href='#fnr3_3'>&#8657;</a>
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<guid>https://www.navalgazing.net/CMO-Bombing-Tests-Part-1</guid>
<link>https://www.navalgazing.net/CMO-Bombing-Tests-Part-1</link>
<title>Main / Command: Modern Operations Bombing Tests Part 1</title>
<dc:date>2026-08-30T12:00:00Z</dc:date>
<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2026 12:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I've long wanted to do an analysis of how bomb accuracy has changed over the last 80 years or so, and how this impacts <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Strike-Warfare'>the cost of destroying a target from the air</a>.  The problem has always been that all of the data I need, from bomb accuracy to the cost of flying the planes, is scattered and sparse, and so I haven't really made much progress.  But a recent comment from cassander inspired me to give it a try in Command: Modern Operations, which is basically a medium-level simulation package that is sold on Steam.  I've used it for <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/The-Range-of-a-Carrier-Wing-An-Experiment'>other</a> <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Missile-Defense-Through-the-Decades-A-Worked-Example'>experiments</a>, and it could give at least a fairly reasonable number for how many bombs it takes from a given platform/delivery mechanism to destroy a generic target.
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<p>The basic setup I used for all of these tests was fairly simple.  I set up a grid of 10 medium buildings (130' x 80') in CMO and then on the opposite side set up a nearby airbase with 12 planes of the type under test.  All were given the same loadout (usually the heaviest one for the weapon in question) and set up to attack one at a time, using only one bomb at a time on a given target to prevent overkill from messing up my numbers.  I would run the scenario until either all of the targets were destroyed or all of the planes had flown their sorties.  Variables included the plane, the weapon, attack altitude and environmental conditions (day/night and weather).  
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<p>For my first test, I ran a simple scenario: a modern fighter (<a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Hornet-Part-1'>Super Hornet</a>) using <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Dumb-Bombs-and-LGBs'>dumb bombs</a>, able to attack as low as it liked, with no weather conditions or other problems.  The results were pretty straightforward:
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<table border='1' width='80%' ><tr ><td  align='left'>Plane</td><td  align='center'>F/A-18E</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Weapon</td><td  align='center'>8 x Mk 82</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Conditions</td><td  align='center'>Clear Day</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Altitude</td><td  align='center'>875'</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Total Bombs</td><td  align='center'>27</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Hit %</td><td  align='center'>100%</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Avg. Miss</td><td  align='center'>29'</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Results</td><td  align='center'>All destroyed</td></tr>
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<p>So at this point, it's probably worth talking a bit about methodology.  I'm going to count as a hit any bomb which does damage to the target, which can include both direct hits (16 of the 27 here, and, yes, many buildings survived direct hits) and bombs that don't hit directly but still do damage.  Average miss counts the distance as 0 for direct hits, which is obviously somewhat optimistic (the target does have dimensions, so add maybe 25-30' to get actual CEP).  For the next run, let's use the same loadout, but raise the altitude to 12,000', the sort of altitude you'd use if you wanted to avoid being shot at with MANPADS and guys with rifles.
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<table border='1' width='80%' ><tr ><td  align='left'>Plane</td><td  align='center'>F/A-18E</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Weapon</td><td  align='center'>8 x Mk 82</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Conditions</td><td  align='center'>Clear Day</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Altitude</td><td  align='center'>12000'</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Total Bombs</td><td  align='center'>67</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Hit %</td><td  align='center'>66%</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Avg. Miss</td><td  align='center'>211'</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Results</td><td  align='center'>All destroyed</td></tr>
</table>
<p>Obviously, performance this time was significantly worse, with a lot of the bombs falling so far wide that they did no damage, although there were also 12 direct hits on the 10 buildings, which strongly suggests that the direct hits do the vast majority of the damage, an impression confirmed by later tests.  That said, this one took long enough that several of the buildings were only damaged by the bombs and ultimately destroyed by fire.  But the obvious next question is how this would work with bigger bombs, so I replaced the Mk 82s (500 lb) with Mk 83s (1000 lb) and ran the scenario again.
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<table border='1' width='80%' ><tr ><td  align='left'>Plane</td><td  align='center'>F/A-18E</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Weapon</td><td  align='center'>8 x Mk 83</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Conditions</td><td  align='center'>Clear Day</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Altitude</td><td  align='center'>12000'</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Total Bombs</td><td  align='center'>38</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Hit %</td><td  align='center'>74%</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Avg. Miss</td><td  align='center'>202'</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Results</td><td  align='center'>All destroyed</td></tr>
</table>
<p>We see slightly better performance here, mostly due to the greater lethal radius of the bombs.  In terms of total tonnage, it took slightly more Mk 83s, but fewer sorties because there were more bombs per plane.  But it's also worth going up the final step and seeing what happens if we use 2000 lb Mk 84s.
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<table border='1' width='80%' ><tr ><td  align='left'>Plane</td><td  align='center'>F/A-18E</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Weapon</td><td  align='center'>4 x Mk 84</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Conditions</td><td  align='center'>Clear Day</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Altitude</td><td  align='center'>12000'</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Total Bombs</td><td  align='center'>22</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Hit %</td><td  align='center'>74%</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Avg. Miss</td><td  align='center'>190'</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Results</td><td  align='center'>All destroyed</td></tr>
</table>
<p>This was the clear winner in terms of number of bombs required, although relative to the Mk 83, 6 sorties were required rather than 5 because the plane could only carry half of the bomb load.  But with that baseline out of the way, I think I'm going to go with the Mk 83 for further tests with factors that could affect unguided bombs.  First, I'll get a low-altitude baseline for comparison in various conditions:
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<table border='1' width='80%' ><tr ><td  align='left'>Plane</td><td  align='center'>F/A-18E</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Weapon</td><td  align='center'>8 x Mk 83</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Conditions</td><td  align='center'>Clear Day</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Altitude</td><td  align='center'>1100'</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Total Bombs</td><td  align='center'>14</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Hit %</td><td  align='center'>93%</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Avg. Miss</td><td  align='center'>28'</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Results</td><td  align='center'>All destroyed</td></tr>
</table>
<p>It's worth noting that the low-level attack with Mk 83s required only about half the bombs that the Mk 82 version did, largely because the bombs were far more likely to destroy the building in a single hit.  This definitely confirms the decision to use the Mk 83 as my standard test bomb when possible.  Next, let's see what effect night has on the attack.
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<table border='1' width='80%' ><tr ><td  align='left'>Plane</td><td  align='center'>F/A-18E</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Weapon</td><td  align='center'>8 x Mk 83</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Conditions</td><td  align='center'>Clear Night</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Altitude</td><td  align='center'>1100'</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Total Bombs</td><td  align='center'>14</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Hit %</td><td  align='center'>100%</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Avg. Miss</td><td  align='center'>36'</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Results</td><td  align='center'>All destroyed</td></tr>
</table>
<p>This test showed very slightly worse performance in terms of miss distance than the low-level day attack (hit percentage was higher, but the only "miss" in the day test was a bomb that malfunctioned).  But it's not really that surprising that a fully kitted-out Super Hornet, with ATFLIR and ASG-34 IRST can deliver weapons nearly as effectively in the dark.  Let's see how well that holds up to going to medium altitude.
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<table border='1' width='80%' ><tr ><td  align='left'>Plane</td><td  align='center'>F/A-18E</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Weapon</td><td  align='center'>8 x Mk 83</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Conditions</td><td  align='center'>Clear Night</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Altitude</td><td  align='center'>12000'</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Total Bombs</td><td  align='center'>42</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Hit %</td><td  align='center'>90%</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Avg. Miss</td><td  align='center'>198'</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Results</td><td  align='center'>All destroyed</td></tr>
</table>
<p>The medium altitude results are quite similar to the daytime ones in terms of average miss distance and total bombs required.  Hit percentage was substantially higher, although I think this is probably not the best metric to evaluate these tests by.  It counts any bomb which does any damage, so it's easy enough for a lot of bombs landing 250'+ out, which really aren't doing very much to the building, to count as hits.
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<p>But now that we have a modern baseline, it's time to start looking back.  I'm going to start with one of the earliest multirole fighters in this database,<a class='footnote' id='fnr4_1' href='#fn4_1'><sup>1</sup></a> the <a class='urllink' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_F-4_Phantom_II' rel='nofollow'>F-4J Phantom II</a>, largely because it can carry the same Mk 83 bombs that I've been using here.  We'll start at low altitude.
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<table border='1' width='80%' ><tr ><td  align='left'>Plane</td><td  align='center'>F-4J</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Weapon</td><td  align='center'>3 x Mk 83</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Conditions</td><td  align='center'>Clear Day</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Altitude</td><td  align='center'>1100'</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Total Bombs</td><td  align='center'>26</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Hit %</td><td  align='center'>100%</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Avg. Miss</td><td  align='center'>140'</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Results</td><td  align='center'>All destroyed</td></tr>
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<p>Here, we see a significant falloff in ability to do damage.  Most of the bombs are still getting close enough to do damage, but it's gone from 14 to 26 to wipe out all the buildings.  I'm going to try taking this to altitude next, although there's an obvious problem waiting.  The Phantom's bombload is only 3 bombs, and it took 38 for the Super Hornets to destroy all the buildings from medium altitude.  I'm going to set each of the Phantoms up to fly twice, to ensure a reasonable number of bombs get used.
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<table border='1' width='80%' ><tr ><td  align='left'>Plane</td><td  align='center'>F-4J</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Weapon</td><td  align='center'>3 x Mk 83</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Conditions</td><td  align='center'>Clear Day</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Altitude</td><td  align='center'>12000'</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Total Bombs</td><td  align='center'>72</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Hit %</td><td  align='center'>33%</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Avg. Miss</td><td  align='center'>648'</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Results</td><td  align='center'>8 destroyed, 2 heavily damaged</td></tr>
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<p>This was obviously a massively different result than the Hornets from medium altitude, and a good indication of why the arrival of PGMs was so revolutionary.  At the same time, the Phantom was not exactly known for being one of the best bombing platforms of the day, so let's try a different plane, the 1975 version of the <a class='urllink' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_A-6_Intruder' rel='nofollow'>A-6 Intruder</a>, again attacking from medium altitude.<a class='footnote' id='fnr4_2' href='#fn4_2'><sup>2</sup></a>
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<table border='1' width='80%' ><tr ><td  align='left'>Plane</td><td  align='center'>A-6E</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Weapon</td><td  align='center'>10 x Mk 83</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Conditions</td><td  align='center'>Clear Day</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Altitude</td><td  align='center'>12000'</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Total Bombs</td><td  align='center'>74</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Hit %</td><td  align='center'>59%</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Avg. Miss</td><td  align='center'>401'</td></tr>
<tr ><td  align='left'>Results</td><td  align='center'>All destroyed</td></tr>
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<p>This was an interesting comparison to the Phantom.  The average performance was significantly better, with a lot fewer genuine flyers landing 1000'+ from the target, but it wasn't all that much better at actually landing the sort of hits that counted.  Yes, it got all buildings in 74 bombs instead of 8/10 in 72, but most of the "hits" were 200'+ away and didn't do all that much damage.  
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<p>I ran a night test with the Phantoms, and the results were extremely similar to the day test, at least until I tried to send out the second wave and it wouldn't launch, because that bombing mission was day-only.  I'm not sure how I got the first flight off, or how the game models night in general, but I think this post has run its course.  I'll pick up the subject later.
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<p>Also, on an unrelated note, CMO has just rolled out multiplayer for the standard game, so if anyone is interested in contributing to future posts like this by letting me put humans on multiple sides, let me know.  To be clear, this is less "let's see who is better" and more research like in this post.  But I'm curious to see what I can do in cases where I'm less limited by my ability to script things.
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<p><span class='footnote-number'>1</span> CMO has two different databases, split around 1975.  I'm going to stick with stuff from the modern database today. <a href='#fnr4_1'>&#8657;</a>
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<p><span class='footnote-number'>2</span> In retrospect, the Mk 83 may not have been a good bomb to choose, because it means I can't do comparisons with Air Force aircraft.  I will change that for next time. <a href='#fnr4_2'>&#8657;</a>
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<title>Main / Open Thread 196</title>
<dc:date>2026-08-28T12:00:00Z</dc:date>
<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2026 12:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
<description><![CDATA[<p>It's time once again for our regular Open Thread.  Talk about whatever you want, so long as it isn't culture war.
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<p>Overhauls are <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Information-Communication-and-Naval-Warfare-Part-1'>Information, Communication and Naval Warfare Part 1</a>, <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Falklands-Part-5'>Falklands Part 5</a>, <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/The-Battleship-of-the-Future'>The Battleship of the Future?</a>, <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Wedding-Decorations'>Wedding Decorations</a>, <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/A-Brief-Overview-of-the-United-States-Fleet'>A Brief Overview of the United States Fleet</a>, <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Naval-Radar-More-Advanced-Stuff'>Naval Radar - More Advanced Stuff</a>, <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Speed-and-Range-in-Battleships'>Speed and Range in Battleships</a>, and for 2025, SCUBA Parts <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/SCUBA-Part-1'>one</a> and <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/SCUBA-Part-2'>two</a>, <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/The-Tanker-War-Part-2'>The Tanker War Part 2</a> and <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Exotic-Hulls-Part-1'>Exotic Hulls Part 1</a>.
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<title>Main / The World at War</title>
<dc:date>2026-08-23T12:00:00Z</dc:date>
<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2026 12:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I've been watching through the documentary series The World at War lately, and figured it was worth talking about here.  For those who don't know, it was aired in the early 70s, and is generally acclaimed as one of the greatest documentary series ever.  I'm not much of one for documentaries in areas I'm familiar with, because they're frequently not particularly efficient and I often find myself frustrated by the editorial decisions made, but The World at War mostly manages to avoid these problems, and illustrates a conscious approach to doing history for the public that I really like.
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<p>The most obvious problem that any series like this is going to run into is simply how to divide up the war, because even with 26 episodes, a lot is going to be left out.  TWAW handled this particularly well, abandoning any real pretense that it was going to be comprehensive and instead making each episode a self-contained story about a specific aspect of the war.  This could be a battle or a campaign, the home-front experience of some nation or it could be something narrower like the Holocaust or the occupation of Holland.  Particularly groundbreaking at the time was a significant focus on Russian experience during the war, and those portions were still some of the most interesting to me, as it's not an area I've studied extensively.  But more importantly, each story generally does a really good job of balancing the human stories with the broad operational story of the war.  Often history focuses either on "what happened and why?" or on "what was it like to be there?", and TWAW manages to balance both rather well.  
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<p>But more than that, there's a definite choice to present a wide array of different pieces of the war to choose from.  The Burma episode (a particular standout) covers not only the back-and-forth fighting and interviews soldiers from both sides about the experience of the war, from battle to mud, but also includes a section about Vera Lynn's morale tour to the theater.  There's some really lovely variety, and it shows what can be done with the documentary format when the people doing it take seriously their responsibility both as historians and as producers of entertainment.  I also respect its commitment to using archive footage, which is extensive, and almost all of the people interviewed are speaking from first-hand experience.
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<p>This isn't to say that the series is perfect.  Some of this is simply a matter of age and improved historical understanding of the events in question.  On the whole, I think they did very well for the time, and I was frequently surprised at what they got right, but there are a few areas worth mentioning where they didn't.  One obvious example is Ultra, which was revealed to the public a year or so after the series was broadcast, and significantly changed our understanding of the Battle of the Atlantic, among others.  On the other hand, the current picture makes Ultra so prominent that it's almost a useful corrective.  Another is their episode on the German home front, which draws heavily on Albert Speer's version of events (including interviewing him), another person history (and by history, I mostly mean Adam Tooze) has not been kind to.  And I think their episode on the atomic bombing is a bit too sympathetic to the view that Japan would have surrendered without the bombs being dropped.  There's probably other errors I didn't catch, but that's always a risk when dealing with older works of history, and in at least some cases, the quality is high enough to be worth that tradeoff.
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<p>I only have two major complaints about the series.  First, I think it generally does not do a particularly good job of dealing with the naval aspect of the war.  The only episode dedicated to naval matters covers the Battle of the Atlantic, and coverage elsewhere is spotty.  A lot of this is probably downstream of their admirable commitment to the use of real footage and interviews with participants, and the simple fact that naval battles are hard to film compared to their counterparts in the air and particularly on land, limiting how much raw material they had to work with, and it was generally done well enough that I didn't find it too irritating most of the time.
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<p>Second, the series' coverage of the Pacific War is very limited.  Of the 26 episodes, only five are about the Asia-Pacific side of the war: one on the early Japanese victories, one on Burma, one on the Japanese experience during the war, one on the atomic bombing and the Japanese surrender and one to cover the entirety of combat in the Pacific from 1943 to 1945.<a class='footnote' id='fnr5_1' href='#fn5_1'><sup>1</sup></a>  The last one in particular is clearly overstretched for a single episode, and the situation was made far worse by the selection of a director, John Pett, whose style was entirely unsuited to telling that story, and who turned in the worst example of ignoring naval aspects of the entire series.  Pett also did the episodes for Burma and the Normandy landings, and in all three concentrated largely on the experience of the men on the front lines.  This was an entirely reasonable decision for the other two episodes, both of which cover relatively simple campaigns where the guy with the rifle is clearly at the center.  But it completely fails when it's used on the episode with the largest scope in the entire series.  The only naval battle to get any serious coverage is Philippine Sea, with 9 minutes of a 52-minute episode.  There's a few minutes on the experience of being under Kamikaze attack at the end, but three-quarters of the episode's runtime is taken up by a discussion of fighting ashore, most notably Tarawa and Iwo Jima, sections that felt so padded that I initially suspected that the episode had been originally planned as two separate episodes, hastily stitched together at the last minute, before I went digging and confirmed that, no, this was intentional.
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<p>The handling of <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Leyte-Gulf-75'>Leyte Gulf</a> was particularly bad.  There's a nice 20-second setup for a quick description of the battle, laying out roughly where everything is, and I was fully prepared for at least a few minutes of discussion of some of the most interesting actions of the war.  Instead, the setup is followed series of pans over still photos of the battles, and the narration "After a series of confused engagements hundreds of miles apart, the Imperial Japanese Navy suffered heavy losses.  It ceased to be an effective fighting force."  Then things move on to land fighting in the Philippines.  The largest naval battle in human history got the same amount of screentime as the bombing of Darwin or the rocket bombardment of Okinawa, and half the time that was spent showing newsreel footage of Peleliu with neither narration nor interview voiceovers.
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<p>Pett said in an interview that he wanted to do a naval battle, but didn't have the footage for it, and I agree that this is probably true if he was wanting to do 10 minutes of basically unbroken newsreel footage on Leyte Gulf.  But I'm pretty sure there's enough out there that a clever filmmaker who wanted to talk about the battle would have been able to give it at least a few minutes without actively cheating.  Interview a few participants (Leon Kintberger, captain of <em>Hoel</em>, was still alive at the time) and use them talking to the camera to pad things out.  Use graphics to illustrate where everyone was.  And get off your high horse about not having enough footage that's 100% accurate, because you illustrated a lot of Philippine Sea with footage of Corsairs landing at dusk despite the fact that there were a grand total of four of them with TF 58 during that battle.  Show the battle line at Surigao doing a bombardment.  Find some footage of one of the carriers in Taffy 3 doing something.  Or if you absolutely cannot bring yourself to do that, spend 10 minutes on the experience of the fleet, because I know there's plenty of footage of that.
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<p>But that one episode aside, it's a remarkably good series.  The use of almost entirely real footage makes it visually distinct, and the tone is serious rather than sensational.  One failed episode aside, I've never seen a better exploration of WWII in documentary form, and I don't think I ever will.
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<p><span class='footnote-number'>1</span> There's an obvious gap in the coverage of China, which I think is entirely forgivable as the Cultural Revolution was still going on at the time the series was made. <a href='#fnr5_1'>&#8657;</a>
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<title>Main / Airliner COD</title>
<dc:date>2026-08-16T12:00:00Z</dc:date>
<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2026 12:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Probably the most obscure corner of carrier aviation is COD, Carrier Onboard Delivery.  This is exactly what it sounds like, the practice of delivering high-priority cargo, mail and personnel from bases ashore to aircraft carriers.  The role originated in the immediate postwar years, and was first carried out by TBM Avengers modified to carry six passengers or cargo in the former bomb bay.  But it was soon clear that the limited cargo weight and volume would be a problem for air-delivery of important cargoes like jet engines and nuclear weapons.<a class='footnote' id='fnr6_1' href='#fn6_1'><sup>1</sup></a>
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<div  style='text-align: center;' class='img imgcaption'> <span class='px'> <img width='600' src='/attach/Grumman_C-1_aboard_USS_America.jpg?v=1786733363.jpg' alt='' /><br /><span class='caption'>A C-1 Trader   </span></span></div>
<p>The Navy ultimately chose to procure the <a class='urllink' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_C-1_Trader' rel='nofollow'>C-1 Trader</a>, a variant of their existing <a class='urllink' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_S-2_Tracker' rel='nofollow'>S-2 Tracker ASW aircraft</a> with an enlarged fuselage.  Entering service in 1956, the Trader would go on to serve for three decades in the USN, ultimately becoming the last operational piston-engined aircraft to fly from American carriers.  But it was slow and limited in range, and, more importantly, it was soon unable to carry the largest jet engines in use by the fleet.  The Navy again turned to Grumman to adapt an existing design with a new fuselage, turning the <a class='urllink' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_S-2_Tracker' rel='nofollow'>E-2 Hawkeye</a> into the <a class='urllink' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_C-2_Greyhound' rel='nofollow'>C-2 Greyhound</a>.  Ultimately, it would serve for almost 60 years until the growth of jet engines, in particular the F135 for the F-35C, caused the Navy to procure a new COD airplane capable of carrying it.  The winner in this case was the CMV-22,<a class='footnote' id='fnr6_2' href='#fn6_2'><sup>2</sup></a> based on the <a class='urllink' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell%E2%80%93Boeing_V-22_Osprey' rel='nofollow'>V-22 Osprey</a> beloved of the Marines and loathed by budget analysts.
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<div  style='text-align: center;' class='img imgcaption'> <span class='px'> <img height='440' src='/attach/Lockheed_KC-130F_Hercules_aboard_USS_Forrestal.jpeg?v=1786733365.jpeg' alt='' /><br /><span class='caption'>The Hercules aboard <em>Forrestal</em></span></span></div>
<p>But while only three aircraft have actually served in the COD role since the mid-50s, there have been numerous other proposals, often for larger and longer-ranged aircraft.  In 1963, looking for an emergency option that could better the C-1 Trader's range, the Navy carried out tests aboard <em>Forrestal</em> using a barely-modified <a class='urllink' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_KC-130' rel='nofollow'>KC-130F Hercules</a> borrowed from the Marines.  A pair of experienced carrier aviators were checked out on the Hercules and sent to conduct the tests about 500 miles out in the Atlantic.  They were able to successfully conduct 29 touch-and-go landings, 21 full stop landings and 21 takeoffs, all without the assistance of the carrier's <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Carrier-Operations-Part-4'>catapults</a> and <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Carrier-Operations-Part-2'>arresting gear</a>.  Famously, one test saw the Hercules stop opposite the ship's island with "Look Ma, No Hook" painted on the side, and it set a record for the heaviest aircraft operated from a carrier that stands to this day.  But there were also problems.  The biggest is that while it was technically possible, getting the necessary stopping distances required reversing their engines 3-4' off the deck, a maneuver that is <a class='urllink' href='https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/the-luxembourg-maneuver-the-crash-of-luxair-flight-9642-8eb41563c668' rel='nofollow'>generally frowned upon</a>.  The second was that the C-130 is a very big airplane by carrier standards, and landed straight down the deck instead of using the angle, which required the deck to be almost entirely clear of other aircraft.  Since <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Carrier-Operations-Part-3'>the days of <em>Langley</em></a>, the USN has kept a lot of planes on deck, so even landing a C-130 for five minutes would be extremely disruptive to normal operations, and it was way too large to park out of the way if something went wrong or they needed to wait.  As a result of all this, despite the success of the tests, the procedure has never been repeated.  
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<div  style='text-align: center;' class='img imgcaption'> <span class='px'> <img width='600' src='/attach/C-2A_Greyhound_makes_an_arrested_landing_during_flight_deck_qualifications_aboard_USS_Abraham_Lincoln.jpg?v=1786736354.jpg' alt='' /><br /><span class='caption'>A C-2 lands aboard <em>Lincoln</em></span></span></div>
<p>The Navy was still interested in the idea of a COD plane with more range and capacity than the C-2, and conducted a number of studies over the years.  Because it was likely to be a small fleet, and the available funds were limited, very few of these were designed from scratch.  Some were intended, like the C-2, to share commonality with other carrier aircraft,<a class='footnote' id='fnr6_3' href='#fn6_3'><sup>3</sup></a> while others were based on whatever sub-C-130 transport was on the drawing board at the time.  But the most interesting were a few proposals to use airliners as the basis for COD planes.
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<div  style='text-align: center;' class='img imgcaption'> <span class='px'> <img width='600' src='/attach/United_737-200_N3013U_at_CLE.jpg?v=1786733364.jpg' alt='' /><br /><span class='caption'>A 737-200 in gray with "United" on the side, so it's basically a USN jet</span></span></div>
<p>When I first heard this, I assumed it was a joke, or possibly the result of a gross violation of <a class='urllink' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Order_No._99' rel='nofollow'>General Order 99</a>.  And while much of me still has a hard time believing it's real, and the <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Commercial-Aviation-Part-5'>former airline structures guy</a> is still running around in terror,<a class='footnote' id='fnr6_4' href='#fn6_4'><sup>4</sup></a> the math is just plausible enough to warrant investigation.  The first round of proposals came in the early 70s, with a <a class='urllink' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_DC-9' rel='nofollow'>DC-9-10</a><a class='footnote' id='fnr6_5' href='#fn6_5'><sup>5</sup></a> and a 737 variant of some sort<a class='footnote' id='fnr6_6' href='#fn6_6'><sup>6</sup></a> put forward as candidates.  I'm going to focus on the DC-9, as I have <a class='urllink' href='https://www.aahs-online.org/images/Navy_SAC/C-9B.pdf' rel='nofollow'>a spec sheet for the military version of the DC-9-30</a> and I don't have anything equivalent for the 737-200Adv.<a class='footnote' id='fnr6_7' href='#fn6_7'><sup>7</sup></a>  Both would have been big for carrier operations, but they were significantly smaller than the later members of their family, and just might have squeezed aboard.
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<div  style='text-align: center;' class='img imgcaption'> <span class='px'> <img width='600' src='/attach/C-9B_Skytrain_Carrier.jpeg?v=1786733582.jpeg' alt='' /><br /><span class='caption'>A C-9 flies past a carrier, though not to land on it</span></span></div>
<p>Now, to be clear, neither would have fit aboard very well, but the biggest problem the C-130 had was its 132' wingspan, while the <a class='urllink' href='https://www.boeing.com/content/dam/boeing/v2/airports/acaps/DC9.pdf' rel='nofollow'>DC-9-10's</a> was 89' and the <a class='urllink' href='https://www.boeing.com/content/dam/boeing/v2/airports/acaps/737CL_REV_E.pdf' rel='nofollow'>737Adv</a> was about 93'.  While this was still significantly wider than anything regularly flown from a carrier (at this point, that was probably the A-3 Skywarrior at 72.5') the extra 40' and the fact that they were planning to use arresting gear and catapults meant that they could slot (probably fairly awkwardly) into the existing flight deck ops instead of having to kick everyone off.  Obviously, sticking around might be a problem but COD birds were generally expected to fly aboard, unload, get refueled and then leave again.  Of course, other modifications would be required, and McDonnell Douglas planned to fit not only a tailhook, but also a new nosewheel that incorporated catapult fittings and could be extended to give a higher angle of attack for takeoff, an in-flight refueling probe, and strengthened structure to take the loads of carrier operations.  Folding wings were even proposed, though don't seem to have been accepted as part of the initial study.
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<p>But all of this assumes that it's physically possible to land and take off in the appropriate distances.  Sure, you can do it with a C-130, a plane deliberately designed for short-field operations, provided you have enough <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Carrier-Operations-Part-1'>wind over deck</a>, but these are airliners designed to operate from relatively big runways.  They may not chew up tarmac like the first generation of jets, but would they really be small and slow enough to be compatible with the equipment on a carrier?
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<div  style='text-align: center;' class='img imgcaption'> <span class='px'> <img width='600' src='/attach/F-111B_CVA-43_approach_July1968.jpeg?v=1786733846.jpeg' alt='' /><br /><span class='caption'>An F-111B lands on <em>Coral Sea</em></span></span></div>
<p>Let's start by looking at the problem of landing.  Per <a class='urllink' href='https://www.aahs-online.org/images/Navy_SAC/C-9B.pdf' rel='nofollow'>the SAC</a>, for the design mission (10,000 lb of cargo), the C-9B should be landing at around 73,000 lb, with a power-off stall speed of 85 kts.  If we assume 40 knots wind-over-deck, then it's going into the arresting gear at something like 45 kts, but it's also going to be landing at a similar weight to the weight the A-3 Skywarrior, the heaviest plane to regularly operate from a carrier, took off.  But weight is only half the story.  Speed is the other half, and it's here that I found something surprising.  Looking through possible comparison aircraft, I found the <a class='urllink' href='https://www.aahs-online.org/images/Navy_SAC/F-111B.pdf' rel='nofollow'>F-111B</a>, the result of an extremely dumb attempt to turn an Air Force light bomber into a Navy missile-slinger.  It was cancelled before entering service, but it was definitely carrier-capable and even flew a few carrier tests.  And at the maximum listed landing weight of 57,000 lb, it was stalling at about 100 kts, for a speed relative to the deck of 60 kts.  If we assume that the arresting gear is basically limited by the kinetic energy of the landing aircraft<a class='footnote' id='fnr6_8' href='#fn6_8'><sup>8</sup></a> then the total kinetic energy of the F-111B is 102.6<a class='footnote' id='fnr6_9' href='#fn6_9'><sup>9</sup></a> while the C-9B comes in at only 74.1, a value lower enough that I'm actually reasonably confident that this could have worked, structural issues aside.  
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<div  style='text-align: center;' class='img imgcaption'> <span class='px'> <img width='600' src='/attach/Douglas_A3D-2_Skywarrior_of_VAH-2_is_launched_from_USS_Coral_Sea.jpeg?v=1786733845.jpeg' alt='' /><br /><span class='caption'>A Skywarrior prepares to launch, also from <em>Coral Sea</em></span></span></div>
<p>But what about launch?  Here, we're going to use the <a class='urllink' href='https://www.aahs-online.org/images/Navy_SAC/A-3B%20CLE.pdf' rel='nofollow'>A-3B</a>, the heaviest plane regularly to take off from a carrier,<a class='footnote' id='fnr6_10' href='#fn6_10'><sup>10</sup></a> as our exemplar.  It took off at 73,000 lb and a power-off stall speed of 124 kts.  The C-9B's numbers are a takeoff at 99,700 lb and a power-off stall speed of 100 kts.  If we again assume 40 kt wind over deck, we see the A-3 needing to get 257.5 from a combination of its engines and the catapult, while the C-9B needs only 179.5.  Weirdly, it looks like the C-9 actually has a slightly higher thrust-to-weight ratio than the A-3, so again, we pass a plausibility check for this scheme.<a class='footnote' id='fnr6_11' href='#fn6_11'><sup>11</sup></a>  
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<div  style='text-align: center;' class='img imgcaption'> <span class='px'> <img width='600' src='/attach/TC-52_Fokker_28_Fuerza_Aerea_Argentina.jpeg?v=1786733846.jpeg' alt='' /><br /><span class='caption'>An F-28 from a carrier navy on final approach, sadly sans tailhook</span></span></div>
<p>Despite the fairly impressive performance (10,000 lb of cargo for 2,200 nm) the plans for the C-9 COD went nowhere.  But it was far from the only airliner proposed for conversion, either in the early 70s or later.  I've already mentioned the Boeing alternative, but at the same time, Hawker-Siddley proposed a version of their <a class='urllink' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Siddeley_HS_748' rel='nofollow'>HS 748 turboprop airliner</a>, with folding wings and the usual structural modifications, but it seems to have gone even less far than the jet alternatives.  Later, in the 80s, when the Navy was looking at a new COD plane to replace the C-2, they seriously investigated the <a class='urllink' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fokker_F28_Fellowship' rel='nofollow'>Fokker F28</a>, a somewhat smaller airliner than the DC-9 and 737, but ultimately decided to build more C-2s instead.  And it looks like we'll probably never see such proposals again.  Modern airliners are less rugged, because structural weight costs money to haul around, and there's just not much demand for a long-range high-capacity COD, particularly now that the CMV-22 has aerial refueling capability.  But it's an interesting rabbit hole of history to go down.
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<p><span class='footnote-number'>1</span> To be clear, these were nuclear weapons for <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Nuclear-Weapons-at-Sea-Heavy-Attack'>other</a> <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Nuclear-Weapons-at-Sea-Light-Attack-Part-1'>planes</a>, and the COD bird didn't have a secondary nuclear strike role. <a href='#fnr6_1'>&#8657;</a>
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<p><span class='footnote-number'>2</span> Yes, it would normally be the CV-22, but the Navy thinks its people are deeply stupid and would confuse the resulting aircraft with either the <a class='urllink' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Independence_%28CVL-22%29' rel='nofollow'>USS <em>Independence</em></a> or the program to develop a long-term replacement for the <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/The-Ford-Class'><em>Ford</em> class</a>.  And no, I don't know what was wrong with UV-22 either. <a href='#fnr6_2'>&#8657;</a>
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<p><span class='footnote-number'>3</span> There were several proposals to use the S-3 Viking ASW plane as the basis of a new COD bird, with differing levels of redesign.  Ultimately, all of them failed, and half a dozen S-3s were stripped out and redesignated as US-3, used to carry a few people and small cargoes like avionics and mail to carriers operating far from land bases. <a href='#fnr6_3'>&#8657;</a>
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<p><span class='footnote-number'>4</span> While he's here, he would also like to note that he is extremely baffled by the recent media coverage of the 737MAX airworthiness directive.  That kind of thing is basically Tuesday in the airline structures world, and after looking into it a bit, this is almost the definition of a routine issue.  Boeing released the inspection in late 2024, and the planned AD was made public in November 2025.  For that matter, the first MAX isn't going to need to do these inspections for probably another 3-5 years. <a href='#fnr6_4'>&#8657;</a>
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<p><span class='footnote-number'>5</span> Technically, it was based on the DC-9-10 with DC-9-20 slats and a C-9B cargo door. <a href='#fnr6_5'>&#8657;</a>
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<p><span class='footnote-number'>6</span> My one source on this (American Secret Projects Vol 3) is really light on details, but the timing suggests it would have been a 737-200 Advanced.  The only detail I do have is that a Boeing test pilot in a company plane managed to stop a 737 in 559' on a simulated carrier deck, without the benefit of arresting gear.  There was also a Boeing proposal to use a 727 as a COD bird, which makes even less sense, as it's a larger, heavier airplane and it doesn't seem like the Navy needed more cargo space. <a href='#fnr6_6'>&#8657;</a>
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<p><span class='footnote-number'>7</span> The DC-9-30 had a 14' fuselage stretch to counter the threat of the 737, and a bigger wing.  For some reason, possibly deck space, they didn't use the bigger wing on the COD version, but I think this is a reasonable bound on performance and I don't have decent data on the original DC-9-10. <a href='#fnr6_7'>&#8657;</a>
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<p><span class='footnote-number'>8</span> To put this a slightly different way, we assume that the arresting gear is exerting a constant force across the length of the landing zone.  Obviously, this is likely to annoy any arresting gear engineers reading this.  If you are one of these people, get in touch and we can come up with a better model. <a href='#fnr6_8'>&#8657;</a>
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<p><span class='footnote-number'>9</span> The unit is 1e6 lb*kts<sup>2</sup>, which is not a unit you should use on your physics homework.  But I'm using the same unit throughout, and the important thing here is the relative values. <a href='#fnr6_9'>&#8657;</a>
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<p><span class='footnote-number'>10</span> The A-3 was <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Nuclear-Weapons-at-Sea-Heavy-Attack'>designed for long range and built with early, thirsty jet engines</a>, so maximum landing weight was only 49,000 lb, hence the use of the F-111B for the landing analysis. <a href='#fnr6_10'>&#8657;</a>
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<p><span class='footnote-number'>11</span> Apparently, it would even have been possible to launch the jet with one engine out, although I can't imagine this happening regularly for safety reasons. <a href='#fnr6_11'>&#8657;</a>
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<dc:date>2026-08-09T12:00:00Z</dc:date>
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<description><![CDATA[<p>In mid-October 1944, the American carriers under Admiral Halsey were operating in the waters between Taiwan (then known as Formosa) and the Philippines, to destroy Japanese power in the area before the US <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Leyte-Gulf-75'>invasion of Leyte</a>.  Unfortunately, on October 13th, the heavy cruiser <em>Canberra</em> was <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Saving-Canberra'>torpedoed by Japanese aircraft, flooding both engine rooms</a>.  Normal practice would have been to take the crew off and abandon her, but Admiral Halsey decided to tow her clear by cruiser <em>Wichita</em> instead.  The next day, light cruiser <em>Houston</em> was also torpedoed, losing not only her engines but also all of her boilers, which meant there was only emergency power available throughout the ship.  <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Saving-Houston-Part-1'>She was in considerably worse shape than <em>Canberra</em>, with serious concerns that she would break up early on, leading most of the crew to abandon ship before the decision was made to try to tow her clear as well.</a>
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<div  style='text-align: center;' class='img imgcaption'> <span class='px'> <img height='440' src='/attach/CripDiv1Map.jpeg?v=1786203149.jpeg' alt='' /><br /><span class='caption'>The path of CripDiv 1<a class='footnote' id='fnr7_1' href='#fn7_1'><sup>1</sup></a></span></span></div>
<p>On the morning of October 15th, a group, dubbed "CripDiv 1", was formed to protect the two crippled cruisers, with three light cruisers and eight destroyers to provide close cover.  Light carriers <em>Cabot</em> and <em>Cowpens</em>, with a separate group of escorts, would provide air cover.  <em>Houston</em>, towed by heavy cruiser <em>Boston</em>, spotted the group shortly after <em>Wichita</em> passed the tow to tug <em>Munsee</em>, and finally reached her station around noon.  Meanwhile, <a class='urllink' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_Rose' rel='nofollow'>Radio Tokyo</a> was putting out increasingly outlandish claims about the damage inflicted on the Americans, prompting parties in the streets. Halsey's staff wondered about how much was deliberate propaganda and how much the Japanese genuinely believed.  If they were taking their more outrageous claims (half a million tons of shipping sunk, 53 ships including 16 carriers on the bottom) seriously, then it was plausible that they'd send surface forces out to mop up.  One carrier group was sent to hit airfields around Manila on the 15th and 16th, while two others were pulled out of range of Japanese search planes in the hopes of luring them out.  Only one was left in position to protect CripDiv 1, an understandably unpopular move among the men of the group.  One of the captains of the escorting light cruisers commented "Now I know how a worm on a fishhook must feel" and the name "BaitDiv1" began to circulate.
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<div  style='text-align: center;' class='img imgcaption'> <span class='px'> <img height='440' src='/attach/HoustonAftDamage1stHit.jpg?v=1783746323.jpg' alt='' /><br /><span class='caption'><em>Houston</em> after the catapult was jettisoned</span></span></div>
<p>The men aboard <em>Houston</em> were too busy to think much about that.  First, there was still the matter of flooding.  They had done a good job <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Survivability-Flooding'>stopping the spread of water through the ship</a>, but there were still 6,400 tons of extra water aboard a ship that normally displaced 13,900 tons fully loaded, and a 12&#176; list to starboard.  Normally, this might have been evened out by pumping fluids around, but concerns about the ship's structural integrity and the fact that all of the pumps were busy trying to dewater flooded compartments meant that they would need to jettison weight on the starboard side instead.  Over the side went the starboard catapult and float plane, searchlights, one of the ship's boats and even some armored doors.  The <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Survivability-Mission-Kills'>lack of power</a> meant there was no ventilation down below, and crews worked to dewater compartments on the 3rd Deck in conditions so humid that electrical fires spontaneously broke out.  There was little fresh water, and the only noise besides that of the damage control efforts was the creaking of the ship's hull.  But they were clearly winning their battle, and during the 15th managed to seal off and drain most of the flooded compartments on the 3rd Deck, lightening the ship by 1,900 tons and reducing the list to a mere 8&#176;.
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<p>The Japanese hadn't given up on sinking the "remnants of the American fleet", although their efforts on the 15th were less than successful.  Three air attacks were launched, although the first failed to locate them, the second ran into the buzzsaw of the one carrier group providing a distant screen for CripDiv 1, and the third turned back after the flight leader developed engine trouble.  The 16th dawned inauspiciously aboard <em>Houston</em>, with a major electrical fire breaking out in the emergency steering space.  It was brought under control fairly quickly, although it disrupted the power supply from the main emergency generator aft.  But the forward generator was still operational, although power available was limited because of contaminated fuel, and it provided power to haul in the anchor chain as the crew prepared to transfer the tow from <em>Boston</em> to tug <em>Pawnee</em>, which had finally arrived to release the heavy cruiser for duty as flagship of CripDiv 1.  
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<div  style='text-align: center;' class='img imgcaption'> <img src='/attach/USS_Pawnee_ATF-74.jpeg?v=1786192724.jpeg' alt='' /><br /><span class='caption'><em>Pawnee</em></span></div>
<p>Passing the tow was difficult, as there was still a heavy swell, and the fire had disabled <em>Houston</em>'s rudder control.  As <em>Pawnee</em> came alongside, a wave slammed her into the cruiser's side, where the bigger ship's anchor became entangled on the tug's bulwark.  When the seas reversed and the two ships parted, the anchor tore loose and went crashing through the tug's deck.  Aboard <em>Houston</em>, the anchor chain went whipping across the deck, threatening the legs of any man who didn't jump over it.  Fortunately, there were no actual injuries, and the rest of the process proceeded smoothly.  An hour and a half after they started, <em>Pawnee</em> was pulling <em>Houston</em> into position a mile from <em>Canberra</em>, and took over as the guide ship for the group, as the jammed rudder made <em>Houston</em> the more difficult ship to tow.  
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<p>Unfortunately for everyone involved, the Japanese weren't quite done with the group.  On the 15th, they had dispatched the Second Striking Force, a pair of heavy cruisers, a light cruiser and a destroyer screen, to annihilate the "remnants" of the fleet.  This was exactly what Halsey had wanted, a chance at more of the Japanese surface fleet, but it obviously made the men of CripDiv 1 rather nervous.  Another threat came from the other string on Japan's bow, the air attacks they were still sending against the force.  For some reason the first strike, 99 planes flying from southern Japan, was recalled before it found the target.  The same happened to the Second Striking Force shortly thereafter, when it came under attack by a few planes from <em>Bunker Hill</em>, and the decision to withdraw was confirmed a few hours later when Japanese scouts spotted some of the waiting carriers.  They would survive to take a rather inglorious part at <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/The-Battleships-of-Pearl-Harbor-Part-3'>Surigao Strait</a> later in the month.
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<div  style='text-align: center;' class='img imgonly'> <span class='px'> <img width='600' src='/attach/HoustonTorpedoedUnderTow.jpeg?v=1786192724.jpeg' alt='' /></span></div>
<p>But the second airstrike, 107 planes from Formosa, was more successful, arriving overhead around 1300.  The outnumbered fighters from <em>Cabot</em> and <em>Cowpens</em> did excellent work, shooting down many of the attackers<a class='footnote' id='fnr7_2' href='#fn7_2'><sup>2</sup></a> and scattering most of the rest, but a trio of land-based torpedo bombers penetrated the screen around the crippled cruisers.  <em>Houston</em>, without power, had to rely on her <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Secondary-Armament-Part-4'>20mm guns and what her 40mms could do in manual mode</a>.  It wasn't enough, and one of the bombers, a <a class='urllink' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yokosuka_P1Y_Ginga' rel='nofollow'>Fran</a>, dropped a torpedo dead astern before crashing a few moments later, riddled by AA fire from the cruiser.  The 20mm gunners switched their fire to the torpedo, but their efforts were in vain, and the weapon struck on the starboard side of the stern, underneath the floatplane hangar that took up a lot of the stern and, more importantly, underneath the supply of aviation gasoline for the <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Battleship-Aviation-Part-3'>floatplanes</a>.  The hangar hatch was blown into the sky, slicing the crane in two as it went, and most of the men who had been manning the aft pair of 20 mm guns were blown overboard.  A massive fire erupted from the volatile avgas, soon spreading to the oil slick that <em>Houston</em> had been trailing, and endangering the men in the water.<a class='footnote' id='fnr7_3' href='#fn7_3'><sup>3</sup></a>  Forward of <em>Houston</em>, <em>Pawnee</em> was also in a tricky situation.  She, like <em>Houston</em>, had weathered an air attack at only 4 kts, unable to dodge, and she was shackled to a now-burning cruiser of unknown structural integrity.  Her captain ordered the message "WE'LL STAND BY YOU" transmitted to <em>Houston</em>, but also stationed a sailor with an acetylene torch to cut the towing cable in case the cruiser sank.  
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<div  style='text-align: center;' class='img imgcaption'> <span class='px'> <img width='600' src='/attach/HoustonDamageControlChart.jpg?v=1786192863.jpg' alt='' /><br /><span class='caption'>The diagram from the <a class='urllink' href='https://www.history.navy.mil/research/library/online-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/w/war-damage-reports/uss-houston-cl81-war-damage-report-no-53.html' rel='nofollow'>damage report</a>. Click to enlarge.</span></span></div>
<p>But the men still aboard <em>Houston</em> had bigger things on their minds.  After the initial shock of the torpedo hit, they rallied, laying out the fire hoses (previously kept rolled up for fear they would be cut by shrapnel during an attack) and rigging pumps.  <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Survivability-Fire'>Foam quickly brought the fire, already dwindling as the avgas burned itself out, under control</a>, and within 20 minutes, the crew could turn their attention to the other effects of the hit.  The most obvious was that the hangar was now flooded, adding a thousand tons or so to the ship and basically undoing all of the pumping and jettisoning the crew had done so far.  To make matters worse, the water in the hangar was sloshing back and forth, not only adding significant <a class='wikilink' href='https://www.navalgazing.net/Stability'>free surface</a> to the problems facing the ship, but also threatening to smash through the bulkheads.  We'll pick up the story with their attempts to deal with this threat next time.
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<p><span class='footnote-number'>1</span> Own work, based on <a class='urllink' href='https://www.naturalearthdata.com' rel='nofollow'>Natural Earth Data</a>. <a href='#fnr7_1'>&#8657;</a>
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<p><span class='footnote-number'>2</span> American claims were 41, the Japanese admitted to the loss of 27. <a href='#fnr7_2'>&#8657;</a>
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<p><span class='footnote-number'>3</span> Ultimately, only four of the ten men blown overboard from the fantail survived, but several were killed immediately. <a href='#fnr7_3'>&#8657;</a>
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